1 00:00:00,110 --> 00:00:04,870 [Music] 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:08,890 [Applause] 3 00:00:30,820 --> 00:00:13,460 this is somewhere in the skies Branzburg 4 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:30,830 [Music] 5 00:00:37,430 --> 00:00:34,110 today we're talking about astronauts and 6 00:00:39,770 --> 00:00:37,440 UFOs this is always a fun topic of 7 00:00:41,810 --> 00:00:39,780 conversation but we're talking about it 8 00:00:43,910 --> 00:00:41,820 today because a recent interview with an 9 00:00:46,370 --> 00:00:43,920 astronaut spawned countless headlines 10 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:46,380 around the world on Sunday January 5th 11 00:00:50,540 --> 00:00:48,330 the Guardian published an interview with 12 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:50,550 astronaut Helen Charmin the first 13 00:00:55,729 --> 00:00:52,710 British person to make it to space and 14 00:00:59,270 --> 00:00:55,739 she talks about aliens in this interview 15 00:01:01,190 --> 00:00:59,280 here's what she said quote aliens exist 16 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:01,200 there's no two ways about it 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:03,840 end quote she also stated that quote 18 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:06,930 it's possible they're here right now in 19 00:01:12,830 --> 00:01:10,080 quote that's a big statement especially 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:12,840 coming from someone who has been in 21 00:01:18,260 --> 00:01:16,650 space and it's obviously excited it's 22 00:01:20,540 --> 00:01:18,270 obviously excited a lot of people 23 00:01:23,210 --> 00:01:20,550 generating the headlines proclaiming 24 00:01:25,460 --> 00:01:23,220 that an astronaut said aliens are real 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:25,470 and they're here on earth the headlines 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:27,770 of course were very sensationalistic 27 00:01:32,810 --> 00:01:30,930 they were overstating just a little bit 28 00:01:35,450 --> 00:01:32,820 here's the rest of what Sharman said 29 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:35,460 quote there are so many billions of 30 00:01:39,380 --> 00:01:37,110 stars out there in the universe that 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:39,390 there must be all sorts of different 32 00:01:44,809 --> 00:01:42,090 forms of life will they be like you and 33 00:01:47,389 --> 00:01:44,819 me made up of carbon and nitrogen maybe 34 00:01:51,169 --> 00:01:47,399 not it's possible they're here right now 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:51,179 and we simply can't see them in quote so 36 00:01:57,559 --> 00:01:54,330 did she reveal some insider astronaut 37 00:02:00,260 --> 00:01:57,569 knowledge about aliens on earth no she 38 00:02:01,820 --> 00:02:00,270 simply surmises that all sorts of 39 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:01,830 different life must exist in the 40 00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:04,530 universe some life-forms might be 41 00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:06,780 visible night might not be visible to 42 00:02:11,930 --> 00:02:08,910 the human eye and some of that life 43 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:11,940 could conceivably be on earth and we 44 00:02:16,070 --> 00:02:14,010 wouldn't know it that doesn't mean that 45 00:02:18,500 --> 00:02:16,080 what she said isn't cool I think it's 46 00:02:21,260 --> 00:02:18,510 very cool I'm always fascinated to hear 47 00:02:23,449 --> 00:02:21,270 what people who have been in space had 48 00:02:26,839 --> 00:02:23,459 to say about intelligent alien life or 49 00:02:28,610 --> 00:02:26,849 about UFOs and there have been several 50 00:02:32,780 --> 00:02:28,620 astronauts over the years who have 51 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:32,790 commented on aliens and/or UFOs so let's 52 00:02:37,460 --> 00:02:35,130 talk about a few of them the first one 53 00:02:40,699 --> 00:02:37,470 we'll talk about today is Pavel Popovich 54 00:02:42,970 --> 00:02:40,709 yeah so this was cosmonaut Pavel 55 00:02:44,979 --> 00:02:42,980 Popovich he was the first 56 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:44,989 crane Ian's cosmonaut and the eighth 57 00:02:50,350 --> 00:02:48,290 human in space he was also a survivor 58 00:02:52,869 --> 00:02:50,360 after living under the Nazi occupation 59 00:02:55,780 --> 00:02:52,879 for almost two years as a young child so 60 00:02:58,600 --> 00:02:55,790 that was a pretty interesting attribute 61 00:03:01,930 --> 00:02:58,610 to this story he grew up to be a an 62 00:03:03,789 --> 00:03:01,940 amateur pilot and engineer and he worked 63 00:03:06,789 --> 00:03:03,799 his way up to being a to being 64 00:03:10,030 --> 00:03:06,799 considered as a cosmonaut his flight 65 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:10,040 into space first one was in 1962 and 66 00:03:15,580 --> 00:03:13,730 then his second in 1974 was a pretty 67 00:03:19,059 --> 00:03:15,590 interesting mission actually he was part 68 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:19,069 of a Soviet program of military people 69 00:03:26,890 --> 00:03:22,930 and military use in space exploration 70 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:26,900 technology so Popovich and his engineer 71 00:03:31,630 --> 00:03:28,970 at the time they'd conducted military 72 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:31,640 intelligence operations using infrared 73 00:03:37,750 --> 00:03:34,370 and optical equipment and one of their 74 00:03:40,990 --> 00:03:37,760 tasks was to to capture the American 75 00:03:42,729 --> 00:03:41,000 Skylab station with the three astronauts 76 00:03:44,170 --> 00:03:42,739 on board at the time you know you know 77 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:44,180 kind of see what they were up to and 78 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:46,489 this was you know obviously still 79 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:48,169 bitterness from the Americans winning 80 00:03:52,659 --> 00:03:50,450 the Cold War and when they found out 81 00:03:54,190 --> 00:03:52,669 that Popovich had done this the 82 00:03:56,379 --> 00:03:54,200 Americans actually came up with a 83 00:03:59,110 --> 00:03:56,389 nickname for him which was the quote 84 00:04:01,809 --> 00:03:59,120 aggressor which is pretty interesting he 85 00:04:05,319 --> 00:04:01,819 definitely got a reputation so in I 86 00:04:08,229 --> 00:04:05,329 think yeah 1978 he was traveling from 87 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:08,239 Washington to Moscow from a conference 88 00:04:12,670 --> 00:04:10,730 and along with the other passengers and 89 00:04:16,089 --> 00:04:12,680 pilots they had a pretty dramatic UFO 90 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:16,099 sighting of a triangular shaped object 91 00:04:20,979 --> 00:04:18,530 trailing the airplane and then bypassing 92 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:20,989 the airplane at like unbelievable speeds 93 00:04:24,670 --> 00:04:22,250 in a minute disappeared 94 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:24,680 nothing was tracked on radar nothing was 95 00:04:27,850 --> 00:04:26,090 seen on the ground but everyone on the 96 00:04:30,159 --> 00:04:27,860 plane agreed that they had seen it so 97 00:04:33,370 --> 00:04:30,169 from here Popovich started looking into 98 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:33,380 the UFO cases in Russia and like many he 99 00:04:38,770 --> 00:04:35,570 became obsessed with the topic and 100 00:04:41,170 --> 00:04:38,780 became a UFO researcher in the early to 101 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:41,180 mid 80s he served as a deputy in the 102 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:43,370 Commission for anomalous phenomena in 103 00:04:49,420 --> 00:04:46,370 the environment which was a academic UFO 104 00:04:53,020 --> 00:04:49,430 research program created by the USSR 105 00:04:54,940 --> 00:04:53,030 Academy of Sciences and then in the 90s 106 00:04:56,410 --> 00:04:54,950 he presided over the first official 107 00:05:00,280 --> 00:04:56,420 public Soviet Union 108 00:05:02,050 --> 00:05:00,290 UFO research organization he advocated 109 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:02,060 for the release of government documents 110 00:05:07,420 --> 00:05:04,850 related to UFOs and he asserted that 111 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:07,430 much of the UFO related information he 112 00:05:11,170 --> 00:05:08,810 received was from military and 113 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:11,180 government sources which is always a 114 00:05:17,380 --> 00:05:13,610 good thing yeah well not always but 115 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:17,390 usually and through his research he 116 00:05:21,910 --> 00:05:19,130 concluded that most of what is written 117 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:21,920 about UFOs is nonsense I like this guy 118 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:24,650 already and although he didn't believe 119 00:05:30,820 --> 00:05:28,250 claims of alien abductions or et contact 120 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:30,830 he held the belief that et's visit earth 121 00:05:37,510 --> 00:05:34,070 and operate multiple bases on the planet 122 00:05:39,370 --> 00:05:37,520 so pretty interesting stance yeah it 123 00:05:41,620 --> 00:05:39,380 wasn't just Popovich though who was 124 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:41,630 interested in UFOs his wife marina 125 00:05:46,330 --> 00:05:44,960 Popovich was a retired Soviet Air Force 126 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:46,340 colonel and one of the most famous 127 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:49,610 pilots in Russia so she too was also a 128 00:05:54,490 --> 00:05:51,770 UFO researcher she caught the bug too 129 00:05:56,470 --> 00:05:54,500 and you gotta get this you know this 130 00:05:58,690 --> 00:05:56,480 Russian power couple some credit they 131 00:06:01,870 --> 00:05:58,700 both became UFO researchers in Russia 132 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:01,880 and I thought that was pretty badass she 133 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:03,770 wrote a book it was called the UFO class 134 00:06:06,130 --> 00:06:04,370 Knost 135 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:06,140 and she asserted that the Soviet 136 00:06:12,430 --> 00:06:09,770 military confirmed over 3,000 UFO 137 00:06:15,910 --> 00:06:12,440 sightings and the government possessed 138 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:15,920 wreckage from five UFO crashes so they 139 00:06:20,830 --> 00:06:18,110 pretty much had long careers in the 140 00:06:23,710 --> 00:06:20,840 military space programs and then in the 141 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:23,720 UFO research community talk about a 142 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:26,030 powerhouse couple there or how's UFO 143 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:27,890 research yeah 144 00:06:33,460 --> 00:06:31,250 Pavel he spent his final years in Moscow 145 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:33,470 in a settlement dubbed star village 146 00:06:40,210 --> 00:06:37,280 which housed over 36 former cosmonauts 147 00:06:42,490 --> 00:06:40,220 retired cosmonauts and after his death a 148 00:06:44,650 --> 00:06:42,500 mountain range in Antarctica was 149 00:06:47,410 --> 00:06:44,660 actually named after him and so was a 150 00:06:49,210 --> 00:06:47,420 minor planet I wasn't able to figure out 151 00:06:51,190 --> 00:06:49,220 which one that was I'll have to do some 152 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:51,200 more research on that but uh pretty 153 00:06:54,820 --> 00:06:53,210 fulfilling life for both he and his wife 154 00:06:57,130 --> 00:06:54,830 I would say it's it's it's also 155 00:07:00,100 --> 00:06:57,140 refreshing to hear about UFO researchers 156 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:00,110 in other countries for one so this is 157 00:07:03,130 --> 00:07:02,090 definitely one that I'm gonna look more 158 00:07:04,740 --> 00:07:03,140 into for sure 159 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:04,750 well the cosmonauts stories are also 160 00:07:10,060 --> 00:07:07,520 super exciting there's so much about 161 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:10,070 about cosmonauts and UFOs 162 00:07:14,590 --> 00:07:12,710 and just Russia in general Russia UFOs 163 00:07:15,940 --> 00:07:14,600 and you know for anybody interested in 164 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:15,950 that I highly recommend looking at the 165 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:17,690 work of Paul Stonehill fall stone held 166 00:07:24,340 --> 00:07:20,810 as incredible research and and has 167 00:07:25,990 --> 00:07:24,350 written extensively on Russian UFOs so 168 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:26,000 look into Paul stone hills work 169 00:07:30,550 --> 00:07:28,310 absolutely well it's hard to find a 170 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:30,560 conversation about astronauts and UFOs 171 00:07:36,340 --> 00:07:33,650 and not see Edgar Mitchell mentioned 172 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:36,350 indeed one of the most famous Apollo 173 00:07:41,650 --> 00:07:39,170 astronauts in the UFO circles is Edgar 174 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:41,660 Mitchell he was also the sixth man to 175 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:43,940 walk on the moon and was a firm believer 176 00:07:50,230 --> 00:07:47,210 in UFOs intelligent extraterrestrial 177 00:07:53,650 --> 00:07:50,240 life and extraterrestrial visitation the 178 00:07:55,330 --> 00:07:53,660 big three so to speak the NASA astronaut 179 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:55,340 and former Navy test pilot was an 180 00:07:59,950 --> 00:07:57,290 intelligent and very highly regarded 181 00:08:02,740 --> 00:07:59,960 scientist with a doctorate for MIT 182 00:08:05,530 --> 00:08:02,750 so for most of us it's pretty surprising 183 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:05,540 that he publicly and confidently spoke 184 00:08:10,630 --> 00:08:07,490 about his extraterrestrial beliefs and 185 00:08:13,300 --> 00:08:10,640 so often there's so many interviews with 186 00:08:16,780 --> 00:08:13,310 him within the community where he's very 187 00:08:19,510 --> 00:08:16,790 adamant that this occurs one notable one 188 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:19,520 is in 1996 mitchell revealed on Dateline 189 00:08:24,010 --> 00:08:22,070 NBC quote I have no first-hand 190 00:08:25,870 --> 00:08:24,020 experience but I have had the 191 00:08:28,270 --> 00:08:25,880 opportunity to meet with people from 192 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:28,280 three countries who in the course of 193 00:08:33,130 --> 00:08:30,890 Thera fishel duties claimed quote i have 194 00:08:34,990 --> 00:08:33,140 no first-hand experience but i have had 195 00:08:37,540 --> 00:08:35,000 the opportunity to meet with people from 196 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:37,550 three countries who in the course of 197 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:39,530 Thera fishel duties claimed to have had 198 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:41,110 personal first-hand encounter 199 00:08:46,990 --> 00:08:43,970 experiences end quote now during the 200 00:08:50,140 --> 00:08:47,000 same interview mitchell opined that UFO 201 00:08:53,350 --> 00:08:50,150 activity and UFO incidents like roswell 202 00:08:56,460 --> 00:08:53,360 big notable incidents are covered up by 203 00:08:58,990 --> 00:08:56,470 governments and this is a big reveal for 204 00:09:02,080 --> 00:08:59,000 somebody who is in a government 205 00:09:03,820 --> 00:09:02,090 sponsored program like nasa also in an 206 00:09:06,220 --> 00:09:03,830 interview with filmmaker james fox 207 00:09:08,950 --> 00:09:06,230 mitchell shared his belief that humans 208 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:08,960 have reverse-engineered extraterrestrial 209 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:11,210 technology this is a very hot topic 210 00:09:15,970 --> 00:09:13,850 right now and it has been for a while 211 00:09:18,910 --> 00:09:15,980 he believes that humans using this 212 00:09:22,090 --> 00:09:18,920 technology are possibly behind some UFO 213 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:22,100 related events like alien abduction so 214 00:09:26,650 --> 00:09:23,600 that's a big 215 00:09:30,059 --> 00:09:26,660 can of worms if you have the government 216 00:09:33,009 --> 00:09:30,069 abducting humans posed as 217 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:33,019 extraterrestrial species there is a big 218 00:09:38,860 --> 00:09:36,800 problem there han yeah in 2015 219 00:09:41,590 --> 00:09:38,870 Mitchell told our buddy Lee Spiegel at 220 00:09:43,990 --> 00:09:41,600 The Huffington Post quote I have told 221 00:09:45,730 --> 00:09:44,000 several sources about my connections 222 00:09:48,189 --> 00:09:45,740 over the years with military officers 223 00:09:51,189 --> 00:09:48,199 Manning missile silos during the Cold 224 00:09:53,740 --> 00:09:51,199 War with the Soviet Union who told me 225 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:53,750 personally of UFOs hovering over their 226 00:09:58,180 --> 00:09:56,000 missile sites and disabling the missiles 227 00:10:01,240 --> 00:09:58,190 targeting in the Soviet Union end quote 228 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:01,250 so Mitchell just passed away a couple 229 00:10:07,809 --> 00:10:04,490 years ago and and this is a personally a 230 00:10:09,579 --> 00:10:07,819 huge bummer for me because I in 2013 was 231 00:10:12,699 --> 00:10:09,589 supposed to fly to his home in Florida 232 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:12,709 and interview him and the interview got 233 00:10:17,319 --> 00:10:14,690 cancelled by the production company the 234 00:10:20,980 --> 00:10:17,329 day before I was supposed to leave and 235 00:10:23,499 --> 00:10:20,990 obviously that's that's one of I I know 236 00:10:25,269 --> 00:10:23,509 Jason has as well personally tough 237 00:10:28,509 --> 00:10:25,279 sitting down and talking with astronauts 238 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:28,519 who believe in the subject and/or have 239 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:31,730 personal experience is a big honor 240 00:10:36,460 --> 00:10:33,560 because it's very interesting to hear 241 00:10:38,319 --> 00:10:36,470 that sort of perspective so very bummed 242 00:10:41,079 --> 00:10:38,329 I miss my chance to talk with Edgar 243 00:10:43,059 --> 00:10:41,089 Mitchell he's been still involved in 244 00:10:47,410 --> 00:10:43,069 controversy over the years linked with 245 00:10:50,259 --> 00:10:47,420 Buzz Aldrin and alleged lie-detector 246 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:50,269 tests and a whole ball of worms that 247 00:10:54,970 --> 00:10:52,970 that may or may not tie in with UFO 248 00:10:58,300 --> 00:10:54,980 sightings and astronauts did he punch a 249 00:11:02,319 --> 00:10:58,310 journalist in the face too wouldn't that 250 00:11:05,860 --> 00:11:02,329 be the way to go not ed style 251 00:11:08,829 --> 00:11:05,870 no no that's buzz all the way yeah 252 00:11:10,900 --> 00:11:08,839 that's buzz total buzz the Mitchells 253 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:10,910 spoke on countless occasions about his 254 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:13,490 UFO and extraterrestrial beliefs but as 255 00:11:17,499 --> 00:11:15,170 Nick Pope explained to the mirror a 256 00:11:20,139 --> 00:11:17,509 quote so far as I'm aware most of his 257 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:20,149 information on the issue comes not from 258 00:11:24,309 --> 00:11:22,490 things he's experienced himself but from 259 00:11:24,699 --> 00:11:24,319 things he's been told by others end 260 00:11:28,269 --> 00:11:24,709 quote 261 00:11:30,610 --> 00:11:28,279 who he is 262 00:11:33,069 --> 00:11:30,620 he's had access to government military 263 00:11:35,980 --> 00:11:33,079 and intelligence community personnel at 264 00:11:37,270 --> 00:11:35,990 the highest level but because quite 265 00:11:39,730 --> 00:11:37,280 understandably 266 00:11:41,410 --> 00:11:39,740 he won't name his sources we can't be 267 00:11:43,870 --> 00:11:41,420 certain these people were being straight 268 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:43,880 with him or indeed that they were privy 269 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:46,250 to any classified information about UFOs 270 00:11:52,780 --> 00:11:49,250 in quote Mitchell was a very curious 271 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:52,790 person and he was confident in the UFO 272 00:11:56,770 --> 00:11:54,650 extraterrestrial information provided to 273 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:56,780 him by people in the military and 274 00:12:01,510 --> 00:11:58,130 intelligence community 275 00:12:04,630 --> 00:12:01,520 he told Spiegel quote I can't say where 276 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:04,640 the aliens are from but evidence of 277 00:12:08,980 --> 00:12:06,410 their presence here is pretty 278 00:12:11,910 --> 00:12:08,990 overwhelming if you care to look for it 279 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:11,920 in quote so I was always fascinated 280 00:12:16,330 --> 00:12:14,480 hearing Edgar Mitchell talk about UFOs 281 00:12:18,970 --> 00:12:16,340 and intelligent extraterrestrial life 282 00:12:21,190 --> 00:12:18,980 but for me personally I always viewed 283 00:12:23,470 --> 00:12:21,200 his comments the same way I do with 284 00:12:25,540 --> 00:12:23,480 those of former Canadian Minister of 285 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:25,550 Defence Paul Hellyer his views were 286 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:28,730 based on unverifiable sources he was 287 00:12:32,590 --> 00:12:30,650 told by others not things he saw or 288 00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:32,600 experienced himself now that doesn't 289 00:12:38,260 --> 00:12:35,390 mean it's not genuine or doesn't deserve 290 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:38,270 to be considered but it's important to 291 00:12:42,940 --> 00:12:40,690 keep in mind keep that in mind and 292 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:42,950 understand that no matter how exciting 293 00:12:49,150 --> 00:12:45,970 the claims sound and no matter who is 294 00:12:51,310 --> 00:12:49,160 restating those claims it's still just 295 00:12:53,590 --> 00:12:51,320 second or third-hand anecdotal 296 00:12:56,140 --> 00:12:53,600 information and the value or weight of 297 00:12:58,450 --> 00:12:56,150 that type of supporting evidence really 298 00:12:59,740 --> 00:12:58,460 varies from person to person it's up to 299 00:13:01,120 --> 00:12:59,750 every individual to decide for 300 00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:01,130 themselves how much weight they want to 301 00:13:06,130 --> 00:13:03,920 give that information and how much if at 302 00:13:08,140 --> 00:13:06,140 all they want that information to affect 303 00:13:10,329 --> 00:13:08,150 their personal beliefs I think it's 304 00:13:11,740 --> 00:13:10,339 interesting that like a lot of these 305 00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:11,750 things are these people that have been 306 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:14,510 in power or have reputations that it is 307 00:13:20,020 --> 00:13:17,690 just hearsay things they've heard which 308 00:13:22,540 --> 00:13:20,030 is tough for us in the UFO field because 309 00:13:24,700 --> 00:13:22,550 we want like first-hand testimony but 310 00:13:26,260 --> 00:13:24,710 it's so hard to get especially when a 311 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:26,270 lot of these things have happened so 312 00:13:30,190 --> 00:13:28,130 long ago and all the people involved 313 00:13:31,990 --> 00:13:30,200 directly involved are gone at this point 314 00:13:33,910 --> 00:13:32,000 so that was always my struggle with this 315 00:13:35,829 --> 00:13:33,920 stuff Paul Hellyer would say like yeah 316 00:13:38,470 --> 00:13:35,839 the guy's in amazing and his reputation 317 00:13:40,420 --> 00:13:38,480 is you know superb but then these things 318 00:13:42,970 --> 00:13:40,430 he's bringing forward we have no idea 319 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:42,980 how to verify any of it so yeah it's 320 00:13:47,949 --> 00:13:45,170 it's always a struggle it is it's like 321 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:47,959 that curse you know that we we celebrate 322 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:50,890 when somebody of these high caliber 323 00:13:56,130 --> 00:13:53,260 hi Calibre's come forward with it we're 324 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:56,140 talking about this topic in public yay 325 00:14:00,180 --> 00:13:58,810 champion it go run with it but then when 326 00:14:01,650 --> 00:14:00,190 we step back and look at what's actually 327 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:01,660 being said and where that information is 328 00:14:05,340 --> 00:14:04,090 coming from you know well I don't know 329 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:05,350 if this is a good thing or a bad thing 330 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:08,110 right and then you know quotes gets spun 331 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:10,090 different ways to look at like the you 332 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:11,410 know don't trust everything on the 333 00:14:18,510 --> 00:14:15,010 Internet Abraham Lincoln you know it's 334 00:14:19,980 --> 00:14:18,520 like things headlines of articles like 335 00:14:22,350 --> 00:14:19,990 you mentioned earlier Jason 336 00:14:24,570 --> 00:14:22,360 they get so sensationalized and quotes 337 00:14:26,820 --> 00:14:24,580 get out of context that you never knew 338 00:14:29,790 --> 00:14:26,830 can never tell right from left up from 339 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:29,800 down so again it's just it's hard it's 340 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:31,930 hard yeah it like shows that anyone with 341 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:34,450 with you know credentials they have to 342 00:14:39,450 --> 00:14:37,210 walk such a fine line you know between 343 00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:39,460 their you know we look at them for their 344 00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:41,710 credentials for you know some kind of 345 00:14:46,380 --> 00:14:44,320 authority behind their viewpoint but on 346 00:14:48,780 --> 00:14:46,390 the other hand most of time this is an 347 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:48,790 opinion a personal opinion and it's 348 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:51,250 difficult to separate personal opinion 349 00:14:55,500 --> 00:14:53,530 from their credential persona and then 350 00:14:58,020 --> 00:14:55,510 you know and they have to be extremely 351 00:15:00,180 --> 00:14:58,030 careful about it so yeah I think just 352 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:00,190 like everything in ufology it's clear as 353 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:08,950 mud I like that Shane I'm Nick the host 354 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:11,650 of the UFO chronicles podcast with 355 00:15:17,340 --> 00:15:13,990 first-hand witness accounts of the 356 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:17,350 strange and unexplained covering UFOs 357 00:15:24,630 --> 00:15:20,610 cryptids conspiracies and the paranormal 358 00:15:27,510 --> 00:15:24,640 real people real encounters succumb of 359 00:15:29,490 --> 00:15:27,520 us on the journey into the unknown UFO 360 00:15:36,630 --> 00:15:29,500 Chronicles podcast is available to 361 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:39,580 Colonel Gordon Cooper is similar to 362 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:41,450 Edgar Mitchell in that he was also an 363 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:43,970 astronaut and military test pilot who 364 00:15:47,830 --> 00:15:45,890 publicly voiced his opinion about UFOs 365 00:15:50,230 --> 00:15:47,840 and extraterrestrials but Cooper said he 366 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:50,240 personally encountered UFOs that's a 367 00:15:54,490 --> 00:15:52,430 little different so Cooper was one of 368 00:15:56,410 --> 00:15:54,500 the seven original mercury astronauts he 369 00:15:58,450 --> 00:15:56,420 piloted the first space flight of NASA's 370 00:16:01,450 --> 00:15:58,460 Project Mercury during which he became 371 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:01,460 the first American to sleep in space but 372 00:16:07,900 --> 00:16:03,530 according to Cooper his UFO sightings 373 00:16:10,540 --> 00:16:07,910 occurred on earth not in space in 1996 374 00:16:12,190 --> 00:16:10,550 Cooper told Yolanda Gaskins a reporter 375 00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:12,200 with the television show the paranormal 376 00:16:17,830 --> 00:16:15,920 borderline about a fleet of UFOs he and 377 00:16:20,830 --> 00:16:17,840 other Air Force pilots observed over 378 00:16:23,050 --> 00:16:20,840 Germany in 1951 he described that these 379 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:23,060 hundreds of metallic saucer shaped 380 00:16:28,090 --> 00:16:25,730 unidentified craft quote were flying 381 00:16:29,500 --> 00:16:28,100 quite high how high we couldn't tell 382 00:16:31,870 --> 00:16:29,510 because we couldn't get anywhere near 383 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:31,880 their altitude but they were either very 384 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:34,850 large craft way up or smaller craft 385 00:16:39,970 --> 00:16:37,130 still well above what we could get to in 386 00:16:41,860 --> 00:16:39,980 quote six years later while supervising 387 00:16:44,350 --> 00:16:41,870 test flights at Edwards Air Force Base 388 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:44,360 his military camera crew allegedly 389 00:16:51,190 --> 00:16:47,770 filmed a landing of a saucer shaped UFO 390 00:16:53,650 --> 00:16:51,200 he told Gaskins that quote a saucer came 391 00:16:56,350 --> 00:16:53,660 flying over their heads put down three 392 00:16:58,420 --> 00:16:56,360 little landing gear and landed right out 393 00:17:00,070 --> 00:16:58,430 on the dry lake bed they picked up their 394 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:00,080 cameras and started over toward it 395 00:17:05,860 --> 00:17:03,290 filming as they went and when they got 396 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:05,870 in fairly close to it it lifted up put 397 00:17:10,449 --> 00:17:08,180 the gear back in the wheel wells tipped 398 00:17:13,420 --> 00:17:10,459 up and took off at a great rate of speed 399 00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:13,430 and so they came into my office and told 400 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:15,740 me what had happened and I sent them 401 00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:18,170 over to develop the film and they had to 402 00:17:22,179 --> 00:17:20,000 go through all the proper regulations of 403 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:22,189 reporting this and we wound up having to 404 00:17:27,100 --> 00:17:24,530 send the film forward to Washington in 405 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:27,110 the base jet airplane and I don't know 406 00:17:32,860 --> 00:17:29,330 whether anyone's ever seen its sense in 407 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:32,870 quote Alva cooper didn't see the UFO for 408 00:17:37,930 --> 00:17:35,210 himself or get a chance to watch the 409 00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:37,940 filmed footage he claims that he did 410 00:17:42,130 --> 00:17:40,400 hold up the developed film to the window 411 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:42,140 before shipping it off to Washington and 412 00:17:47,410 --> 00:17:45,530 that it did indeed show close-up shots 413 00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:47,420 of a saucer-shaped craft 414 00:17:53,470 --> 00:17:50,240 Cooper was an advocate for seriously 415 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:53,480 stunning UFOs he wrote a letter to the 416 00:17:58,330 --> 00:17:56,570 United Nations in 1978 proposing the 417 00:18:01,690 --> 00:17:58,340 establishment of a committee to explore 418 00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:01,700 UFOs from an quote unbiased neutral 419 00:18:07,260 --> 00:18:04,880 point of view in quote he stated in this 420 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:07,270 letter quote I believe that these 421 00:18:12,130 --> 00:18:09,290 extraterrestrial visitors and their 422 00:18:14,590 --> 00:18:12,140 crews are visiting this planet from 423 00:18:16,780 --> 00:18:14,600 other planets and are obviously a little 424 00:18:19,890 --> 00:18:16,790 more advanced than we are here on earth 425 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:19,900 I feel that we need to have a top-level 426 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:22,370 coordinated program to scientifically 427 00:18:27,250 --> 00:18:25,130 collect and analyze data from all over 428 00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:27,260 the earth concerning any type of 429 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:29,990 encounter and to determine how best to 430 00:18:36,940 --> 00:18:32,690 interface with these visitors in a 431 00:18:39,310 --> 00:18:36,950 friendly fashion in quote so this guy's 432 00:18:43,630 --> 00:18:39,320 really put it out there I mean he was 433 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:43,640 hardcore pushing for for researching 434 00:18:46,780 --> 00:18:45,530 UFOs and was a firm believer in 435 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:46,790 extraterrestrial visitation 436 00:18:52,420 --> 00:18:49,730 yeah yeah pretty pretty not audacious 437 00:18:54,790 --> 00:18:52,430 but ambitious I would say claims to 438 00:18:56,740 --> 00:18:54,800 bring forward again it I always come 439 00:18:58,210 --> 00:18:56,750 back to like these guys know what 440 00:19:01,320 --> 00:18:58,220 reputation they're gonna leave behind 441 00:19:04,660 --> 00:19:01,330 and when they come forward with these 442 00:19:06,190 --> 00:19:04,670 such ambitious claims you got to think 443 00:19:09,670 --> 00:19:06,200 there's there's something to it like 444 00:19:12,340 --> 00:19:09,680 they know more than the public is is 445 00:19:14,670 --> 00:19:12,350 finding out so yeah I'm Gordon Cooper 446 00:19:18,990 --> 00:19:14,680 his style of communication he was so 447 00:19:21,070 --> 00:19:19,000 direct and matter-of-fact and non 448 00:19:22,690 --> 00:19:21,080 sensationalistic in so many ways it's 449 00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:22,700 hard not to really you know be 450 00:19:28,300 --> 00:19:25,190 captivated by not only what are you 451 00:19:30,190 --> 00:19:28,310 saying but how he said it and so I look 452 00:19:32,290 --> 00:19:30,200 at you know I've read his book and look 453 00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:32,300 look at his work and on TV and so forth 454 00:19:36,330 --> 00:19:34,160 and you know the guy is a you know 455 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:36,340 straight-up legit fighter pilot and 456 00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:38,690 astronaut and all those things so you 457 00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:41,120 know I find his stuff very fascinating 458 00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:44,060 actually yeah and I know Amy Shira Tito 459 00:19:48,790 --> 00:19:47,120 our regional colleague space historian I 460 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:48,800 remember her telling me that Gordon 461 00:19:54,460 --> 00:19:52,490 Cooper is the perfect astronaut like 462 00:19:57,490 --> 00:19:54,470 that's the ideal astronaut you know 463 00:20:02,269 --> 00:19:57,500 clean-cut American guy going up into 464 00:20:07,769 --> 00:20:05,249 Boy Scout yeah 465 00:20:09,749 --> 00:20:07,779 Boy Scout you there you go well another 466 00:20:12,659 --> 00:20:09,759 astronaut who's commented about UFOs 467 00:20:14,879 --> 00:20:12,669 more recently and aliens as well is 468 00:20:17,879 --> 00:20:14,889 story Musgrave yeah 469 00:20:20,779 --> 00:20:17,889 story Musgrave who actually flew on six 470 00:20:23,699 --> 00:20:20,789 Shuttle missions believes 471 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:23,709 extraterrestrial life is out there 472 00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:26,369 despite Edgar Mitchell's assertions that 473 00:20:32,909 --> 00:20:29,200 extraterrestrials are walk among us 474 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:32,919 Musgrave doesn't share that belief as he 475 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:34,809 explained to The Huffington Post quote 476 00:20:39,690 --> 00:20:37,329 some astronauts have been quoted as 477 00:20:42,209 --> 00:20:39,700 saying they think that they're here I 478 00:20:45,930 --> 00:20:42,219 have seen their evidence and for me it's 479 00:20:49,409 --> 00:20:45,940 not evidence but he continued I feel 480 00:20:52,829 --> 00:20:49,419 that they're everywhere out there and 481 00:20:55,589 --> 00:20:52,839 they're doing interstellar travel will 482 00:20:57,959 --> 00:20:55,599 think differently about ourselves once 483 00:21:00,659 --> 00:20:57,969 we accept that it's a kind of testing 484 00:21:02,489 --> 00:21:00,669 position is what uh-huh yeah for sure 485 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:02,499 and it was cool that uh I don't remember 486 00:21:07,859 --> 00:21:04,450 I mean this was several years ago now 487 00:21:10,019 --> 00:21:07,869 but MUFON even had story Musgrave speak 488 00:21:11,849 --> 00:21:10,029 as the keynote speaker at the move the 489 00:21:14,609 --> 00:21:11,859 international move move on international 490 00:21:17,789 --> 00:21:14,619 symposium so it was really cool to to 491 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:17,799 hear story in person speak about this 492 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:21,849 stuff I think it was 2011 because we met 493 00:21:27,539 --> 00:21:23,529 long ago Wow 494 00:21:31,109 --> 00:21:27,549 we met him at the the after party and I 495 00:21:32,729 --> 00:21:31,119 talked to him for a little bit but he's 496 00:21:35,609 --> 00:21:32,739 an interesting guy but again you know 497 00:21:37,499 --> 00:21:35,619 he's he's I think it's it's good when 498 00:21:39,299 --> 00:21:37,509 you have these astronauts even if they 499 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:39,309 don't believe UFOs are visiting earth 500 00:21:44,909 --> 00:21:42,369 you know he's like the possibility of 501 00:21:46,709 --> 00:21:44,919 that life is out there is it's we got to 502 00:21:50,609 --> 00:21:46,719 think almost 100 percent you know it's 503 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:50,619 it's good stance to explore if you're 504 00:21:54,629 --> 00:21:52,570 closed off I would say you're not the 505 00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:54,639 right person to be an astronaut going 506 00:21:59,099 --> 00:21:57,039 out to explore other worlds yeah that's 507 00:22:02,249 --> 00:21:59,109 a good point yeah if you're if you're 508 00:22:03,629 --> 00:22:02,259 not like able and willing to accept that 509 00:22:05,819 --> 00:22:03,639 there could be other life out there like 510 00:22:07,889 --> 00:22:05,829 why the hell are you exploring space or 511 00:22:11,069 --> 00:22:07,899 risking your life together yeah let's be 512 00:22:12,959 --> 00:22:11,079 honest yeah very true and you know I 513 00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:12,969 think his position is kind of like I was 514 00:22:17,180 --> 00:22:14,230 mentioning before this is 515 00:22:20,039 --> 00:22:17,190 kind of that what you expect to hear 516 00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,049 because you know they do have to be 517 00:22:24,180 --> 00:22:22,480 careful about it and you know it's the 518 00:22:27,479 --> 00:22:24,190 safe thing and we're even seeing it with 519 00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:27,489 TTS a and just the whole Stata ufology 520 00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:30,460 now NASA and scientists are saying oh 521 00:22:35,549 --> 00:22:33,070 yeah you know we think life is out there 522 00:22:37,289 --> 00:22:35,559 and believe me 20 years ago no one would 523 00:22:40,049 --> 00:22:37,299 even say that right but then with the 524 00:22:41,940 --> 00:22:40,059 discovery of exoplanets and and then you 525 00:22:44,700 --> 00:22:41,950 know other things that progress you know 526 00:22:47,460 --> 00:22:44,710 quantum mechanics they're they're more 527 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:47,470 accepting of that possibility and so at 528 00:22:51,269 --> 00:22:49,330 first it was baby steps hardly anyone 529 00:22:53,970 --> 00:22:51,279 would say oh yeah we think there's life 530 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:53,980 out there but now everybody says out oh 531 00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:55,690 yeah there's gotta be life out there but 532 00:23:00,840 --> 00:22:59,200 yet no one is still committed to you 533 00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,850 know saying that yeah it's been visiting 534 00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:03,039 us here so you know it's it's a safe 535 00:23:07,349 --> 00:23:05,350 position to take and actually it's it's 536 00:23:09,899 --> 00:23:07,359 a correct one to take because we don't 537 00:23:12,889 --> 00:23:09,909 know yet we don't have proof so I think 538 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:12,899 that's a wise thing something cool about 539 00:23:18,479 --> 00:23:16,570 story my story Musgraves statements and 540 00:23:21,239 --> 00:23:18,489 his stances though that's slightly 541 00:23:23,700 --> 00:23:21,249 different and beyond the the token 542 00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:23,710 response there is that he believes that 543 00:23:29,489 --> 00:23:26,830 intelligent life is all over the place 544 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:29,499 out there but doing interstellar travel 545 00:23:33,450 --> 00:23:31,210 that's you know taking you two step 546 00:23:35,549 --> 00:23:33,460 further and kind of cool yeah and I 547 00:23:38,460 --> 00:23:35,559 wonder why you know he doesn't he look 548 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:38,470 at the evidence of ed Mitchell and 549 00:23:42,869 --> 00:23:41,289 others and it doesn't do it for him he 550 00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,879 must have something that makes him feel 551 00:23:48,029 --> 00:23:45,039 like they're traveling interstellar lis 552 00:23:49,710 --> 00:23:48,039 so I'm really curious about that it is 553 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:49,720 maybe you should follow up with him 554 00:23:54,029 --> 00:23:52,090 Shane yeah that's a good one that's a 555 00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,039 good little thread to pull just add 556 00:23:57,779 --> 00:23:56,559 Jason I think you're right like the fact 557 00:24:01,109 --> 00:23:57,789 that he's bringing up the interstellar 558 00:24:03,779 --> 00:24:01,119 thing that's that's huge that that means 559 00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:03,789 that you know he thinks this could be 560 00:24:09,330 --> 00:24:06,609 possible maybe within our lifetime 561 00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,340 maybe not but yeah I think that is a 562 00:24:13,739 --> 00:24:11,440 really good line to point out that he 563 00:24:16,529 --> 00:24:13,749 said because that that that opens up a 564 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:16,539 whole new ballgame I would say in terms 565 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:19,090 of you know them traveling here or us 566 00:24:23,879 --> 00:24:21,129 traveling there so I think that's 567 00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:23,889 awesome that he said that specifically I 568 00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,830 need to he's a cool guy yeah we should 569 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:28,000 reach out so you know he loves 570 00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:29,290 talking about this stuff to you and he 571 00:24:35,310 --> 00:24:31,960 speaks about it intelligently so yeah 572 00:24:37,230 --> 00:24:35,320 who be Cory that's such a cool man yeah 573 00:24:38,790 --> 00:24:37,240 that's a story in itself 574 00:24:41,790 --> 00:24:38,800 I like it well Scott Kelly is an 575 00:24:45,660 --> 00:24:41,800 astronaut who was in space very recently 576 00:24:47,970 --> 00:24:45,670 and in mid 2018 a former coworker 577 00:24:50,220 --> 00:24:47,980 Alejandro Rojas had the opportunity to 578 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,230 ask astronaut scott kelly about ufos 579 00:24:56,010 --> 00:24:53,200 kelly is someone who has spent a whole 580 00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:56,020 lot of time in space more than 520 days 581 00:25:01,770 --> 00:24:58,450 during four different missions which 582 00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:01,780 includes his 340 consecutive days on the 583 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:03,910 International Space Station that's the 584 00:25:08,850 --> 00:25:06,250 longest any u.s. astronaut has spent in 585 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:08,860 space on a single mission when Rojas 586 00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:11,920 asked Kelly about UFOs he admitted that 587 00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:14,400 he's seen lots of strange stuff in space 588 00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:17,740 but strange things he occasionally saw 589 00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:19,750 always turned out to be optical 590 00:25:25,020 --> 00:25:23,020 illusions Kelly says he believes life is 591 00:25:28,350 --> 00:25:25,030 out there but he holds that 592 00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:28,360 stereotypical view that they whoever 593 00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:32,080 they are are too far away to get here 594 00:25:38,010 --> 00:25:35,260 but he responsibly added that he has no 595 00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:38,020 evidence to prove that aliens aren't 596 00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:41,230 visiting earth but he's 99.9 percent 597 00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,180 sure it's not happening just a quick 598 00:25:48,450 --> 00:25:46,000 interesting side note Kelly also shared 599 00:25:51,450 --> 00:25:48,460 that he saw weird things while he was 600 00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:51,460 flying Navy Jets over the ocean of 601 00:25:54,810 --> 00:25:53,350 course Navy pilots seeing strange aerial 602 00:25:56,430 --> 00:25:54,820 objects over the ocean has been a 603 00:25:58,260 --> 00:25:56,440 popular topic of conversation in the 604 00:26:00,270 --> 00:25:58,270 past couple of years because of the 605 00:26:03,420 --> 00:26:00,280 highly publicized Navy UFO encounters 606 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:03,430 from 2004 and 2015 that recently came to 607 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:06,490 light but again Kelly says what he saw 608 00:26:11,100 --> 00:26:08,050 always turned out to be optical 609 00:26:13,230 --> 00:26:11,110 illusions but it's interesting too I 610 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:13,240 mean when you go back and look at you 611 00:26:17,550 --> 00:26:14,650 know I'm several of the people we've 612 00:26:20,610 --> 00:26:17,560 mentioned seems like Navy pilots is a 613 00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:20,620 common theme here you know I always just 614 00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,390 thought it was the Air Force that was 615 00:26:26,820 --> 00:26:24,880 involved right and you know and of 616 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:26,830 course their position was pretty 617 00:26:33,030 --> 00:26:29,710 negative the whole time but to you know 618 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:33,040 to see of late the revelation of all 619 00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:35,530 these naval pilots haven't having this 620 00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:37,480 encounters as you know kind of the 621 00:26:41,730 --> 00:26:39,070 dimension to it that I wasn't even aware 622 00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,740 of so I think that's pretty cool in it 623 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:44,080 and and it's probably likely that other 624 00:26:49,529 --> 00:26:46,740 branches of the military and other 625 00:26:51,690 --> 00:26:49,539 organizations other militaries have been 626 00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,700 having similar experiences then it's 627 00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:53,919 probably much broader in scope than we 628 00:26:58,919 --> 00:26:55,929 even were aware of I think it's also 629 00:27:01,470 --> 00:26:58,929 interesting I was looking into a few 630 00:27:05,310 --> 00:27:01,480 things that Kelly responded to in terms 631 00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:05,320 of the Flat Earth theory he stated that 632 00:27:11,310 --> 00:27:08,950 I flew around the earth but not even 633 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:11,320 like bringing that whole can of worms 634 00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:13,570 into this he said there's a lot of 635 00:27:20,220 --> 00:27:17,980 dangers in disregarding scientific fact 636 00:27:23,820 --> 00:27:20,230 and they use this Flat Earth theory as 637 00:27:27,450 --> 00:27:23,830 like you know proof of that and when you 638 00:27:29,070 --> 00:27:27,460 actually like believe it or when you say 639 00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:29,080 these things and you don't actually 640 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:31,240 believe them like it's just hurting us 641 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:34,090 in terms of moving forward with a topic 642 00:27:38,010 --> 00:27:35,770 so in terms of like UFOs 643 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:38,020 you know if the science is leading us in 644 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:40,450 a certain direction trust that even if 645 00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:42,490 it's not up to your belief standards 646 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:44,830 like we got to go where the science 647 00:27:50,490 --> 00:27:47,110 leads us and it's clear that Scott Kelly 648 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:50,500 knows a lot about about that so I think 649 00:27:55,409 --> 00:27:52,570 it's pretty cool that he's he's saying 650 00:27:57,810 --> 00:27:55,419 look put your personal beliefs aside and 651 00:27:59,610 --> 00:27:57,820 just go where the facts lead us and if 652 00:28:02,159 --> 00:27:59,620 he's talking about UFOs and still 653 00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:02,169 interested in it like that's a good sign 654 00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:04,600 it really is and Scott Kelly and NASA in 655 00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:06,460 general right I mean NASA gets a lot of 656 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:08,380 hate from the UFO community because of 657 00:28:12,750 --> 00:28:10,090 course they get thrown under the bus as 658 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:12,760 the scapegoats with all the conspiracy 659 00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:15,130 stuff that they're hiding all of the 660 00:28:19,529 --> 00:28:16,990 answers about aliens and UFOs because 661 00:28:21,750 --> 00:28:19,539 there are space guys right but I mean we 662 00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:21,760 have so many astronauts and just people 663 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:23,500 from NASA who talk about this stuff all 664 00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,230 the time yeah NASA routinely comments 665 00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:28,799 about aliens because as you can imagine 666 00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:33,120 they're asked about it all the time 667 00:28:41,250 --> 00:28:36,960 non-stop yeah I mean there's one example 668 00:28:43,380 --> 00:28:41,260 that happened in 2014 in July 669 00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:43,390 scientists discussed extraterrestrial 670 00:28:48,419 --> 00:28:46,600 life on a televised event and it took 671 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:48,429 place at NASA headquarters in Washington 672 00:28:54,510 --> 00:28:51,450 DC and featured leading researchers and 673 00:28:55,049 --> 00:28:54,520 engineering experts who all discussed 674 00:28:57,810 --> 00:28:55,059 this 675 00:29:00,180 --> 00:28:57,820 for life beyond Earth so one in 676 00:29:02,820 --> 00:29:00,190 particular Charles Bolden was the NASA 677 00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,830 it's administrator at the time he even 678 00:29:07,409 --> 00:29:05,440 began the event by mentioning how he and 679 00:29:11,820 --> 00:29:07,419 fellow former astronaut John Grunsfeld 680 00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:11,830 are often asked if they've seen if they 681 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:15,220 believe in life beyond Earth and Bolden 682 00:29:20,820 --> 00:29:18,490 stated quote I can't speak for John but 683 00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:20,830 well I may not have actually encountered 684 00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,080 extraterrestrials and I did not as a 685 00:29:28,590 --> 00:29:25,840 matter of fact although I looked all the 686 00:29:31,739 --> 00:29:28,600 time I've always been inquisitive so I 687 00:29:34,769 --> 00:29:31,749 was looking really hard he continued I 688 00:29:37,169 --> 00:29:34,779 would venture to say however that most 689 00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:37,179 of my colleagues here today as well as 690 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:39,190 probably most of you in the audience are 691 00:29:43,470 --> 00:29:41,529 probably convinced that it is highly 692 00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:43,480 improbable that in the limitless 693 00:29:48,269 --> 00:29:44,950 vastness of the universe 694 00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:48,279 that we humans stand alone and again 695 00:29:54,029 --> 00:29:50,740 this is the same thing when we mentioned 696 00:29:56,369 --> 00:29:54,039 story Musgrave how you know all these 697 00:29:58,799 --> 00:29:56,379 scientific officials are finally saying 698 00:30:02,249 --> 00:29:58,809 there's got to be life out there we'd be 699 00:30:05,009 --> 00:30:02,259 stupid not stupid naive to think that we 700 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:05,019 are the only intelligent civilization 701 00:30:09,149 --> 00:30:07,450 out there and so having the NASA 702 00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:09,159 Administrator and all these people as 703 00:30:14,460 --> 00:30:12,820 you so spoke eloquently before you know 704 00:30:16,830 --> 00:30:14,470 the you of a lot of people in the UFO 705 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:16,840 community have trouble trusting NASA 706 00:30:21,989 --> 00:30:19,210 because of believing they're covering up 707 00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,999 all these things and hey maybe they are 708 00:30:27,239 --> 00:30:24,240 covering up some stuff but don't 709 00:30:29,009 --> 00:30:27,249 distrust them because again we have to 710 00:30:31,259 --> 00:30:29,019 leave follow where the science is 711 00:30:33,539 --> 00:30:31,269 leading us and our scientists they're 712 00:30:36,749 --> 00:30:33,549 actually actively trying to go find life 713 00:30:39,389 --> 00:30:36,759 currently so the amount of money that's 714 00:30:41,549 --> 00:30:39,399 spent into these missions trying to find 715 00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:41,559 life on other planets and explore 716 00:30:48,330 --> 00:30:44,740 whether there's life under ice crusts 717 00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:48,340 and in different atmospheres I mean why 718 00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:50,409 would we spend so much money and invest 719 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:54,340 so much time if we're not like trying to 720 00:31:00,239 --> 00:30:57,490 actively find life I'm saying keep a 721 00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:00,249 little faith in NASA please people right 722 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:04,480 and look I love I love that that press 723 00:31:08,790 --> 00:31:06,369 conference and Charles Bolden 724 00:31:10,770 --> 00:31:08,800 making those statements yeah of course 725 00:31:13,770 --> 00:31:10,780 all pretty accustomed to that safe token 726 00:31:16,170 --> 00:31:13,780 response by now but the way he dressed 727 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:16,180 it it's a valid response 728 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:19,510 it's an honest response and at the very 729 00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:23,170 least it isn't dismissive of the topic 730 00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:26,320 nor does it poke fun at the topic and I 731 00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:27,790 think that's really important right and 732 00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:29,860 look at the evolution of that you know 733 00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:32,320 sort of stock response is it's just 734 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:34,350 gotten more and more positive and 735 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:37,210 expanded and less ridicule involved with 736 00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:39,010 it throughout the years I think that's 737 00:31:45,900 --> 00:31:41,020 great too even I would say just in the 738 00:31:47,670 --> 00:31:45,910 last 15 years I mean I remember when you 739 00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:47,680 know I first started heavily getting 740 00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:49,420 involved in this it was it was so much 741 00:31:55,290 --> 00:31:53,110 more taboo even then compared to the 742 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:55,300 evolution of what's happened and people 743 00:32:00,000 --> 00:31:57,610 are feeling safer to speak out about 744 00:32:01,890 --> 00:32:00,010 things and if you're an astronaut you're 745 00:32:03,450 --> 00:32:01,900 gonna see something strange for sure 746 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:03,460 because we don't know what's out there 747 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:07,450 ferry one you know so it's interesting 748 00:32:11,670 --> 00:32:09,850 time to live in and you mentioned at the 749 00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:11,680 beginning Maureen I mean just that the 750 00:32:16,380 --> 00:32:14,230 Pete the astronauts we've had the the 751 00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,390 opportunity to speak with and the the 752 00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:18,640 people who work at NASA who we've had 753 00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:20,470 the opportunity to speak with there's 754 00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:22,360 just so many people there I mean that's 755 00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:24,160 and I think you mentioned it to Ryan 756 00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,350 that's why a lot of people at NASA get 757 00:32:30,930 --> 00:32:28,480 into the field they're in right they are 758 00:32:33,990 --> 00:32:30,940 believers themselves they actively want 759 00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:34,000 to find civilizations out there you know 760 00:32:37,470 --> 00:32:35,710 they grew up on Star Wars and Star Trek 761 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:37,480 and that's their inspiration to try to 762 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:39,610 get out into space and find a life that 763 00:32:43,230 --> 00:32:41,830 they truly believe is out there and the 764 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:43,240 people we've spoken with over the years 765 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:45,090 who work at NASA and are actively 766 00:32:50,130 --> 00:32:47,650 working on these missions that are going 767 00:32:53,340 --> 00:32:50,140 to other worlds to find life they are 768 00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,350 you know extremely hopeful and you know 769 00:32:57,390 --> 00:32:55,120 passionate about what they're doing they 770 00:32:59,340 --> 00:32:57,400 want to find alien life that's why they 771 00:33:01,380 --> 00:32:59,350 do what they do right and the fact that 772 00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:01,390 just a handful we mentioned today 773 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:03,640 there's probably many more in the fact 774 00:33:09,180 --> 00:33:06,810 that just that many astronauts are 775 00:33:11,910 --> 00:33:09,190 interested in the UFO topic have seen 776 00:33:14,310 --> 00:33:11,920 something or know more than the public 777 00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:14,320 knows that's exciting the fact that just 778 00:33:19,230 --> 00:33:17,350 that amount of people we've spent we've 779 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:19,240 sent into space or other countries have 780 00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:21,570 and they're coming back saying these 781 00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:23,790 sort of profound things uh that's 782 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:25,620 awesome yeah you know what I like to 783 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:27,330 listen to you like I said I like to 784 00:33:31,130 --> 00:33:29,130 listen to what people who have been in 785 00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:31,140 space have to say because I don't know 786 00:33:34,430 --> 00:33:32,820 about you guys I haven't been in space 787 00:33:36,380 --> 00:33:34,440 so they've seen things that I haven't 788 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:36,390 and I do you feel they can talk about it 789 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:37,050 better than I can 790 00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,450 yeah absolutely well citizens that's 791 00:33:43,670 --> 00:33:41,760 gonna do it for this episode I'm Jason 792 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:43,680 McClellan I'm Marine Ellsbury 793 00:33:48,260 --> 00:33:46,650 I'm Ryan Sprague I'm Shayne herd do us a 794 00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:48,270 favor friends always treat the UFO 795 00:33:50,900 --> 00:33:49,380 subject with the cautious and 796 00:33:53,150 --> 00:33:50,910 responsible skepticism it deserves 797 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:53,160 question everything have the courage to 798 00:33:57,530 --> 00:33:55,770 form your own opinions keep truth as the 799 00:33:59,840 --> 00:33:57,540 focus of your quest even if the truth 800 00:34:09,629 --> 00:33:59,850 conflicts with your opinions and of 801 00:34:43,399 --> 00:34:40,780 [Music] 802 00:34:45,869 --> 00:34:43,409 [Applause] 803 00:34:47,609 --> 00:34:45,879 somewhere in the skies is produced by 804 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:47,619 Third Kind productions in association 805 00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:49,570 with the entertainment one podcast